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Post by josh bishop on Mar 18, 2012 18:07:16 GMT -5
actually there was one thing i tried, which had remarkable effect on the body, and the 3rd eye opening into a a quasi telepathic intensity field. I had these acupuncture sessions which this particular chinese doctor onlty did a minimum of 3 hour sessions with her clients. For me, the majority of needles went around the 3rd eye, temples, one in my left hand and one in my right foot. Since I had to lie down for 3hours like this, I meditated. And would go into 2nd Jhana maybe a couple of times during that time....but, and this is the crux of the matter, always, after 2 hours of this, after the two hour mark, my body in some deep way let go and turned into water, a liquid feeling through out the body. It was as if the chronic feeling of 'steel' in the body had melted, dissolved.
I normally do not meditate for 2 hours at a time, but I thought of using some object(s) in place of needles, perhaps some warm balm of some kind, and just force myself to sit 2-3 hours/sit (I always lie down).
I thought perhaps I had come across a new technique for curing chonic pain...I wonder what you think of that Jeffrey?
After these sessions, with the 3rd eye open, and the body so loose and free, it did seem worth investigating in larger group like studies of people suffering from chronic pain such as fibromyalgia as I seem to have.
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Post by jhananda on Mar 19, 2012 8:43:42 GMT -5
I don't know if it helps to talk about this here, as I know there is nothing you can do about that Jeffrey, I suppose though this does all come back to issues of energy however, alignment emotionally and physically, it just has been so long now that I have had sleep/anxiety type disorders, perhaps I will not stop searching for an answer, but how do we accept that this is the way things are, and continue to live in pain, while others never have to even give it a thought. ... I normally do not meditate for 2 hours at a time, but I thought of using some object(s) in place of needles, perhaps some warm balm of some kind, and just force myself to sit 2-3 hours/sit (I always lie down)... Josh the more I read from you the more confirmed I am that you are stuck in the hypersensitive phase, which is a type of spiritual crisis that occurs on the threshold of the 3rd jhana. My suggestion to you is that you give up on being "normal" or living a "normal" life. Dedicate every moment to the contemplative life, learn to relax deeply at all times, and meditate deeply several times a day. Give up on sleeping when you think you should sleep. Instead, eat, drink and sleep when you feel like.
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Post by Josh on Mar 19, 2012 12:58:30 GMT -5
Yes, that makes perfect sense to me, my sensitivity has increased to the point that my body perhaps cannot yield to the 3rd Jhana because I have not accepted that there is no cure for the pain....but this reminds me that there have been times when the pain vanished, miraculously, practically over night, I can recall a few times, one very significant time being when an indian women had heard from a friend of mine that I had had a kundalini awakening, she wanted to meet and talk with me, this was still at a time that I had never met anyone who even knew what kundalini was, this was about 6-7 years ago, I went to meet her, and told her about the awakening, the energy just poured out of me, it felt so good to talk to someone about it who understood, and listened, something I had never been recognized for by anyone. The next day, most of my chronic pain disappeared, and for the next month, my energy gradually rose to what must have been 3rd Jhana, then it gradually went down for another month.
About 6 months after that, it awakened like a volcano, from the root chakra, my face was flushed, and I was totally ecstatic, I felt hollow, and energy poured out through my arms and hands for about 6 hours. I also recall the sexual arousal it produced, but of a kind that I have never experienced before.
This is how I want to be for the rest of my life. This is the state in which I can only see how anyone would ever want to live.
I will try stopping all medications, and just exist as my body permits, I will try and be quiet, and listen, meditate, and try to fully accept and feel all of the pain as it arises however it arises....I will start to do that now, because the medication simply perpetuate and anxiety ridden life of worry and neurosis that is going no where, it is crisis management day by day which is consuming my heart and mind.
Thank you Jeffrey
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Post by jhananda on Mar 20, 2012 9:25:58 GMT -5
Yes, that makes perfect sense to me, my sensitivity has increased to the point that my body perhaps cannot yield to the 3rd Jhana because I have not accepted that there is no cure for the pain....but this reminds me that there have been times when the pain vanished, miraculously, practically over night, I can recall a few times, one very significant time being when an indian women had heard from a friend of mine that I had had a kundalini awakening, she wanted to meet and talk with me, this was still at a time that I had never met anyone who even knew what kundalini was, this was about 6-7 years ago, I went to meet her, and told her about the awakening, the energy just poured out of me, it felt so good to talk to someone about it who understood, and listened, something I had never been recognized for by anyone. The next day, most of my chronic pain disappeared, and for the next month, my energy gradually rose to what must have been 3rd Jhana, then it gradually went down for another month. It certainly does sound like your chronic pain might just be anxiety driven, so anything that you can do to reduce the anxiety might help you. And, going deeper into meditation requires deep relaxation, which requires letting go of anxieties. About 6 months after that, it awakened like a volcano, from the root chakra, my face was flushed, and I was totally ecstatic, I felt hollow, and energy poured out through my arms and hands for about 6 hours. I also recall the sexual arousal it produced, but of a kind that I have never experienced before. This is how I want to be for the rest of my life. This is the state in which I can only see how anyone would ever want to live. Episodes of intense sexual arousal are common for contemplatives who are near the 3rd jhana; however, getting to and beyond the 3rd jhana requires and involves letting go of sexual desire. So, do your best not to obsess either way, and find a middle path that works for you. I will try stopping all medications, and just exist as my body permits, I will try and be quiet, and listen, meditate, and try to fully accept and feel all of the pain as it arises however it arises....I will start to do that now, because the medication simply perpetuate and anxiety ridden life of worry and neurosis that is going no where, it is crisis management day by day which is consuming my heart and mind. Thank you Jeffrey It is reasonable to consider that the medications are not helping you, but perpetuating your medical and psychiatric problems; however, do not be too black and white about it. Give yourself some time without the meds, but consider reintroducing them if it seems reasonable and necessary.
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Post by Josh on Mar 27, 2012 12:18:59 GMT -5
Hello Jeffrey, its been a week, and I am more or less off the tranquilizers, my body seems to have restabalized, the acute pain is gone, I have been able to get some sleep without taking anything, time seems to have slowed down, (that is very odd), my sense of presence has increased in strange and subtle ways; some of my meditations have been deep and profound in ways they were not before, and some have not; over all I feel like I have taken a vice off my head, and brought my mind back in harmony with my body, I feel much better now, I have been on and off those tranqs for 10 years.
Muscles still get stiff and sore, but the acute pain is not there, the body feel a little more numb than it was before (but that may be the withdrawl effects, not sure whats going on).
I have an option at the moment to return home and stay at our summer cottage if I want, its on an island, very isolated, somewhere I spent my summers as a child. However I am not comfortable going into isolation like that after so long living in the city, not that I dont like it, but I think loneliness is something deep within me, perhaps for most people, but while i am not afraid of being alone, and have basically been a loner most of my life, I am afraid to die alone. There seems to be something very unhappy about that. I have never married, no kids, no job at present, not very much money, I guess an ideal situation for a contemplative, but at mid-age, and with not a clear idea how to proceed, i'm a little uncertain about how wise it would be to go 'back', when what I want to do is move forward...
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Post by jhananda on Mar 28, 2012 7:55:39 GMT -5
Hello Josh, it sounds like getting off the meds and listening to your body has been good for you. So, take one step at a time. When you meditate, then let the charisms rise and use them as your meditation object, and let them take you as deep as they want to. Just letting go, and following your intuition, is all you have to do now.
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